2009年11月2日 星期一

2009-11-02

美股熊市第二波

11月1日,周日。分析員錯誤嘅診斷往往帶來災難,例如2007年10月唔少分析員認為美股P/E仍較2000年3月低,所以唔駛驚,忘記咗2000年3月係「非常時期」。今年美國第三季GDP上升3.5%,但英國响量化寬鬆政策下,卻連續出現六季GDP負增長。去年美股由恐懼統治,經過今年3月到10月美股上升後,約50%投資者轉為樂觀,但仍有50%保持悲觀。响過去道指每次略低50天線便反彈,今次又一樣?

2007年7月26日恒生指數由23557點回落到8月17日19386點,代表港股熊市已開始,其後透過港股直通車謠傳,令恒指响2007年10月30日上升到31958點。換言之,恒指23557點以上只係謠言推動,今年恒指重返23000點之上又再次出現大跌市。透過美元貶值推動嘅升市已結束,各位宜多加小心。

納指自3月份開始嘅上升軌已失守,代表納指反彈市已完成。美國銀行股指數上升楔型亦失守,代表銀行股可能大跌。美元開始止跌回升,Pimco嘅格羅斯認為,美股反彈市已完成,因今年美國企業純利上升來自削減開支(因此令失業率上升)。歷史只宜作參考,例如1973/74年急跌後出現長達六年牛市,到1981年股市才再回落。

Robert Shiller認為,美國樓價經四個月回升後又重返泡沫水平,經過7至10月份上升後,前景又再唔明朗。

已故美國總統林肯總統認為,消除富人嘅行為唔可以幫助窮人;鋤強本身並不能扶弱;節儉本身亦不能帶來繁榮;提升最低工資唔可以改善低下層人士收入;提升階級仇恨不能提升人與人之間團結;失去獨立與自尊嘅人並冇性格與勇氣。向窮人提供一切並不能令佢地脫貧。

美股反彈完畢

由野村證券Richard Koo提及嘅資產負債表衰退,正响西方經濟上演。2001年至2006年日本透過量化寬鬆政策不能為日本經濟帶來繁榮,今年3月開始嘅美國量化寬鬆政策又點?3月18日起聯儲局部購入3000億美元國庫債券去支持美股上升,呢種行動10月30日結束。在聯儲局不購公債下,11月美股表現係點?今年首三季美國耗電量仍不及去年。

摩根士丹利分析員Teun Draaisma認為,美股反彈市已完成,估計明年第一季或第二季美國銀根開始收緊,令美股出現最少一至二季回落。

2007年10月開始形成嘅道指下降軌阻力區响10500點附近。在美國企業純利未大幅改善前,擔心道指難破此一阻力。最近二周道指便响一萬點水平爭持。根據Wesbury分析,今年第三季美國消費上升3%,第四季卻是「零」增長。商業投資第三季可令美國GDP升幅增多0.5%,但第四季對GDP影響係負增長;美國今年第三季GDP上升3.5%,估計第四季可上升5.5%,但明年第一季又再回落。9月份美國二手樓銷售上升9.4%(約年率五百五十七萬間),較8月份年率五百一十萬間好,亦較市場估計五百三十五萬間多,係近二年內最好一個月份。每間平均售價174900美元,較去年同期回落9%,亦較8月份嘅177300美元進一步回軟。總存貨減少7%,至三百六十三萬間,即少於八個月銷售量,係2007年3月以來最低。相信與低息及政府提供8000美元稅務優惠有關。但呢個優惠今年11月底結束。由於擔心失業率由目前9.8%上升到明年10.5%,恐怕明年起美國樓價又再回落。

樓價明年再跌

1997年第三季本港樓價開始回落,到1999年亦曾出現小陽春,上升到2000年第二季才再次回落到2003年第二季。呢次美國樓價回落由2006年第三季開始,到今年第二季係咪同樣出現小陽春,然後到明年又再回落(估計明年中價樓可再回落12%、地區偏遠者更可以回落30%)?到上周為止,今年美國破產銀行共一百零六間,未來仍有三百間銀行面對破產威脅(如再有一百間銀行破產,FDIC便沒有資金接管了),金融海嘯發生至今,已有超過一百七十間美國銀行破產,令今年美國十大銀行存款上升25%。代表存款已由中小型銀行流向大銀行,令中小型銀行貸款能力進一步被削弱。

2007年10月嘅美國係咪好似1990年1月嘅日本進入迷失世代?今年3月至10月嘅美股上升係咪大熊市中嘅一次反彈,完成後又開始另一次跌市?美國PPI(生產價格指數)9月份較一年前下跌4.7%,代表通縮壓力仍好大(雖然今年3月起政府已實施量化寬鬆政策)。1999年3月道指首次超過一萬點,當時金價每盎斯280美元。家吓金價已上升270%,但道指仍在一萬點水平上落(如把美元購買力不斷下降因素計算在內,美國股市高峰期係2000年3月)。自2007年10月11日到今年3月6日,道指回落54%後,雖然已反彈55%,但至今仍只收復前失地50%左右。根據著名分析員John Hussman計算,家吓美股已極度超買,並重返1980年11月28日水平,即美國上一個超級大熊市——由1966年開始回落,下跌到1974年11月後再上升到1980年11月;然後再下跌30%,到1982年8月才結束。上周佢公開提出警告,小心呢次美股熊市第二波開始,道指有機會從一萬點水平回落30%。另一著名分析員Sam Collins亦指出,標普五百RSI已上升到67點,再次進入超買區,除純利表現特別出色股份外,其餘股份皆宜減持;認為由4月份開始嘅上升趨勢到今年10月告一段落。

明年唔會係另一個2009年。簡單點說,推動今年股市、金價及油價上升嘅大部分因素响明年將消失。羅素二千(細價股指數)早响9月23日已見頂。細價股指數通常早道指最少三個月見頂,即10月21日後道指見10119點後便要小心。今年美國失業率高漲,與去年美股大跌有關。自從股市下跌後,63%已屆退休年齡嘅打工仔決定延長工作歲月,因手上退休金唔夠未來退休用。此外,今年美國政府提升最低工資,亦令三十萬最低收入打工仔冇咗工作機會,形成美國失業率一升再升。美國自2000年起工資已停止上升,家吓失業率9.8%及就業不足率7%,即係平均每六個打工仔中便有一個失業或就業不足。

美股熊市早响2000年3月已開始。如參考1966到1982年嘅大熊市,呢次美股熊市估計要到2015年左右先結束。今年投資者雖然已經歷十年熊市,但對股票投資興趣仍未減,因為自2002年10月到2007年10月嘅反彈,以及今年3月至今嘅反彈,均極之吸引投資者。今年透過量化寬鬆政策由政府創造出來數以萬億美元計嘅資金,仍正在進入市場支持股價上升。至於呢個情況可以維持幾耐,木宰羊;响政府大幅增加負債同時,美國大企業與私人卻在減債,情況同1990至2009年嘅日本情況好相似。今年美國人消費未見大幅回升、投資亦未有大幅增加。

經濟抬不起頭

雪茄伏係少見嘅公務員。不但响佢任內願作出有用而不討好嘅決定,家吓年屆八十多歲仍然向奧巴馬提出忠言,可惜逆耳冇人肯聽;相反;格蛇同貝南奇都係短線投機者,佢地所有決定都係頭痛醫頭、腳痛醫腳,把問題留到未來;可以話,2007年10月出現嘅美國樓市次按危機係格蛇一手造成。今年貝南奇又製造另一個泡沫,以雷曼事件為例,政府嘅責任唔係去阻止佢倒閉,而係點阻止同類事件再出現。呢種態度亦適用响AIG、房利美、房貸美及花旗銀行等。

2007年年底美國政府負債相等於GDP 42%(1989年年底,日本政府負債相等於日本GDP 51%;家吓日本政府負債相等於GDP 178%);2007年美國私人及企業負債係GDP 331%(1989年日本私人及企業負債係GDP 212%。家吓日本私人及企業負債係GDP 110%)。過去二十年日本私人及企業在減債、由政府增加負債去支持經濟嘅情況,相信未來美國將出現。龐大嘅政府負債,令日本經濟再抬不起頭,相信未來美國亦一樣。


17 則留言:

  1. Watch the price whether it will revisit 10,000 dow again

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  2. He will certainly be right one day.... HSI will top one day, but what level would it be? But then be will say he forecast the drop. He will continue to make fame (and become fans of the idiots).

    But his poor fans... who sold out at 13000 in Mar/Apr.... and the even poorer fans, who might have sold short afterwards or buy put warrants...

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  3. 价值投资法/Buy and hold etc: Cho will tell you time and again why these didn't work, Dow need 16 years (until 82)to get back to 1966 level, you make a pity 30% return in HSI over the last 12 years, that buy and hold crashed this time....

    Of course, his fans, being dump and hipnotised believed. They did not have the brain to note that:
    1. Even if you invest just before the 50% crash in HSI in 1987, you would have made 180% even at the market low of 11000 last Oct, an annual return of 9% over 21 years (include dividends), or 12% at current HSI level, not bad. Average inflation was 5%.
    2. If you apply 价值投资法late last year, you would have doubled your money in just one year. If you looked for really under book stocks, you would have made several times return!
    3. If you measure market return on a fair basis (i.e. peak to peak, trough to trough), stock returns 6-7% after inflation over long term. Higher for developing economies. It is always good to hold at least some stocks.

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  4. Of course Cho will always make up his arguments:
    1. Measure it against last peak, i.e. he will always say stocks are lousy until HSI well past 32000.
    2. If this doesn't work, he will measure return based on some other currencies, if HKD/USD had depreciated.
    3. If even this doesn't work, he will find out some other investment that beats HSI (gold this time, perhaps antiques next time, he will never tell you gold underperform if you choose another time horizon).
    4. If after every means have exhausted,he will pick some lousy underperform stocks and insist individual investors would have bought this rather than others (e.g. PCCW).

    He had been so wrong over the last several years that it is amazing why he is getting more fans. I suppose this explains why most people lose money in the stock market. They are simply stupid.

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  5. 2009 has been so much like 2003, i mean cho's comments and how HSI performed. in 2003, cho cried market top in May when HSI was at about 9000-9500, having risen 10% from the low. and he keep on insisting that was a bear market rally. of course, we all know what happened in the following 4 years.

    But in his recent books, he said he predicted correctly the market bottom and bought a chunk of property stocks in 2003....

    I don't know which way the market will go in future, but if this is really only the start of bull market, Cho will one day in future say he bought a chunk of some type of stocks in 2009!!

    Wake up, Cho's fans. I have seen too many of you (having been influenced) sold out stocks or property at depressed level, and got condolesences from Cho's writings.

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  6. Warren Buffet (spell right?) will regret to have made the recent huge investment on US railway for not reading Chao Sir's article first.

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  7. In 2003, Cho said (repeatedly) that Buffet is a big fool in investing in Petrochina. Buffet made profits of 600-700%!!!Of course, Cho never ever mentioned he ever said this.

    In 2008, Cho again said Buffet is a dumb investing in GE and Goldman. Again, Buffet made big profits, in particular Goldman, over 50%.

    Some people (Buffet) made money by investing in his own money and being overall smart.

    Some (Cho) made money by writing and making people (like the above) believe in him no matter how wrong the things he said.

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  8. Poor Chao, you have disappointed so many of your fans especially in the past one year. Please stop writing your bullshits and apologize to your fans. Let those real economist deal with the big problems. Don't make any more forecast from now on. You will lose all your fans if the experience of Japan is proven to be a history. Do you think all the presidents and premiers are dumb and did not know about the bad experience of Japan?

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  9. History is only for review and lesson learnt, it cannot forecast the future. Cycle is a myth. Economic model is always changing.

    Stepping 2009, the world enters into another economic model. No one knows what will happen. Don't trust the history because it is a dead thing.

    Go back to basic, watch the price whether Dow will revisit 10,000.

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  10. i believe one person gave 9 comments above, if you do not like Chao please do not come to this blog, it is so simple thing you could understand easily. anyway there are two tings that Chao is right above, (1) Dow could not go above 10500, (2)羅素二千(細價股指數)早响9月23日已見頂, it means Dow will have correction in about Jan 2010. let wait and see.

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  11. Nov 5, Dow revisited 10,000, closed at 10,005
    David

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  12. i have written only 5. just want to educate the suckers like you.

    also, because cho gave numerous comments every week (and some contradicting each other, i.e. he has both sides), i am sure he will be right for
    a few points.

    also you really think cho made 2 points, wait:
    1. "Dow could not go above 10500": but when? if Dow did not hit 10500 until Jan, cho can still claim victory, coz he will say that's the ST target... without a time frame it is meaningless.
    2."Dow will have correction in about Jan 2010".... sure this will be right. but correct from what level? today's or Dec's.

    you really need to learn reading into others comments, otherwise you will forever remain a loser in the stock mkt, say if HSI slumped 20% next month, cho will claim victory and you will see him a hero, forgetting he cried sell along after HSI passed 13000.

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  13. 我的英文唔好咁好,睇到有的頭痛.

    其實只要你長追著曹生的文章黎看,就知佢講的野岩定係事後孔明,還有,佢好多時講的野都模稜兩可的,只要用心閱讀,你總會搵出佢的問題,其實他的問題真的好明顯.

    如果你仔細的閱讀佢的文章都發覺唔到佢的問題,我勸你暫時唔好接觸股票住,因為你真係好嫩.

    我曾經睇過佢好多本書,曾經係佢的fans,但當我睇得越黎越多書,接觸股票越多時,發覺自己曾經是如此的無知.幸好沒大損失.

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  14. From the above 13 inputs, I can see many of Cho's fans are becoming more perplexed and unhappy than one year ago because they have missed one of the good chance in a life time to jump into the stock market. At this level, I am afraid many fans don't dare to jump in even if Cho advised them to go ahead.
    As for myself, I don't believe USA will repeat the history of Japan.
    I am waiting for Cho to turn bullish. By then, I will reduce my investment as do LEE Siu Kay.
    Keep watching!

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  15. Hi, i am the one said Chao gave two points above, to make it clear that i am not his fan, the purpose i come to here to read is that i feel interesting, after reading i might know some info which i may not obtain from others, that's all. however, i did not use his points to take my action, i hv my own brain. i have entered the stock market from end March and sold all end Oct. cos difficult to make during sideway period. now waiting the correction in dec this yr. it's pitty for those who did not hv any position in the market sice march, that why many people complaining abt him. from Gary

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  16. It seems that quite a majority of investors are waiting for a notable correction. If that is the case, the correction will be small. Don't expect too much! Gary!

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  17. Watch the dow whether is will trade between 10,000 and 10,500 in this week. Test the curse of Dow10,000.

    Forget all the historical data, it cannot predict the future because we enter the new era of economic world.

    David

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